Zahra Amir Ebrahimi and her sex Video
Zahra Amir the famous actress from Iran is facing the most difficult time of her life. Reason; there are several thousands of CD/DVD of her and her boyfriend (fiancé) showing them having sex and Zahra giving blow job to him. The video was reportedly made in their home some two years back.
So you might be thinking what’s wrong in it. There are several hundreds of porn videos of Shakira, Paris Hilton, Madonna, and Britney Spears circulating in the world in some form or other.
If such videos made star out of Britney Spears and Paris Hilton the same act from Zahra Amir Ebrahimi may cost her life. The strict Islamic law doesn’t allow making of such porn video.
The video was supposedly distributed by her boyfriend who was extradited from Armenia by the law authorities.The guardians of tough Islamic Law of Iran are doing all they can to punish her. Some reports even said that the Iranian actress even tried to commit suicide, the claim that Zahra Amir Ebrahimi denied appearing on a news channel.
The Iranian public is outraged and wants maximum punishment for Zahra Amir Ebrahimi. The Police have submitted their report to the court and a final decision is yet to come on the authenticity of the video tape.
Zahra Amir Ebrahimi has denied ever shooting that video with her ex boyfriend. She says her ex boyfriend is taking revenge with her by using her duplicate in the porn video. The result of this porn video has forced many production houses to ban their programs that featured Zahra Amir.
Your comment on this is most welcome. I tried not to make this long as most of my friends suggested that I need to keep my article short.
-Stella Roy
---Updated on 7th August, 2007-----
I have personally seen the video and no way I found that it was duplicate of Zahra or it was done without her knowledge. She was fully aware of it.
Also check out some interesting comments on Zahra here http://ekhichdi.com/index.php?topic=33.msg53#new
89 comments:
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
islamic law are harsh maybe tooo harsh
it seems to me that its not fair to punish her alone if they wish to follow their unjust law they should get her bf in too
Hi Stella,
The problem for poor miss Zahra is that she lives in Iran Popular perception would attribute it to being an Islamic country but I don’t think that would be right. I believe religion or spirituality (I am not using these terms interchangeably) is a personal thing and no one has a right to interfere. There cannot be anything innately wrong with Islam itself as it is one of the most popular religions on this planet and obviously has a lot going for it. It is a question of interpretation and different countries interpret it differently. Many Muslim countries are very progressive. In some countries to be brides are allowed to get reconstructive surgery of their hymen done before marriage as there is no proof of prior sexual activity for men, women should have the same opportunity, which sounds fair. Countries like Philippines or Malaysia cannot be considered orthodox. So the plight of Zahra appears to be a product of unfortunate geography.
As to the act itself sex between two consensual adults is a matter between them only and no one has a right to poke their nose in between. However the decision of her boyfriend to make it public is a gross violation or invasion (for lack of a stronger word) privacy and she should have recourse to justice. The tragedy lies in the fact that the victim is forced to pay for a crime committed against her. The Iranian public is outraged at her and I am outraged at their reaction. Goes to show how perception differs based on vantage point. Maybe my social, emotional baggage prejudices me. What is right it’s difficult to say or if there is a right?
Devasis
Dev I knew you would come up with such lovely and balance comment. Yes I do agree that some Muslims countries are progressive and yet some has to go long way to be called even remotley progressive.
As usual Dev, your suggestions are worth million dollars.
-Stella Roy
hey...even our suggestions are worth dollars???
from where on earth do u get all this info stella?
who is the source?
-- your great admirer
Balanced? I'm sorry, I never comment on these things but how is that balanced?
The statement about religion and spirituality was qualified by the statement "I believe"...thus the statement about religion and spirituality being a personal thing that no one has the right to interfere with is not grounded in anything more solid than what the one who said it believes today...maybe that will change tomorrow? and if thats not possible...are you progressive (ha)?
Using the popularity of Islam as validation for it not having anything innately wrong with it is quite weak as that gives for anything that is very popular...take it to areas such as racism and discrimination, those are very popular, are they right as well based on their popularity?
And progressive? How can being progressive being touted as greater than sticking to principle? On what basis? What makes something "progressive"? Is it that it is changing, or is changing to something more tolerable to you? And why should your opinion matter? Shouldn't that be something we keep are collective noses out of?
Same problem on the statement of sex between two consensual adults being a private matter and no one having the right to stick their noses in it...sure, that sounds great, but what does that come from? where is that set in stone? what if next month we decide to believe that is is our right to stick our noses in other peoples' sex lives...then does it become our right? where do all these "rights" come from?
And the whole gross invasion of privacy??? Says who? Really, says who? Once again, if that is left up to what we decide "we believe" then when will that change? When will their no longer be an expectation of privacy, and for that matter, why is there one now?
We seem to have all sorts of beliefs in things that our fundamental, unalterable, unchangeable, inherent, and innate, yet those must come from somewhere and there must be a firm basis greater than the chemicals that have interacted in our brains today...or, if that is all it is, then nothing matters and no one has any rights...
Not a fair treatment; a weak and illogical amalgamation of relativism, humanism, and atheism. Not trying to be hostile at all but illogical and irrational statements must be countered or others will accept them as gospel...
Dan
Dev says, "There cannot be anything innately wrong with Islam itself as it is one of the most popular religions on this planet and obviously has a lot going for it."
Right, and there cannot be anything innately wrong with eating pork as it is one of the most popular foods on this planet and obviously has a lot going for it.
Grumpy
Hi Stella,
This one is for Dan. Dan I like this I am happy I could elicit a response from you. You say you never comment but that is exactly what you should do, that’s what the blogs are there for. Let me try to inject some rationality into what you say are irrational statements. Let me first qualify my statements by saying that all that I have said earlier and now were and are my very subjective opinions as are yours and none of it is etched in stone. It is an outcome of my perception at the moment and is subject to change by virtue of n number of inputs tomorrow. And that is about as grounded as anyone can get as it is based on ‘my’ conviction and ‘our’ reality is defined by our perception. If by solid you refer to some written text then that too is an opinion derived from someone’s perception and I don’t need that crutch. My conviction doesn’t become right because someone else has also said the same thing. In this forum individual views are solicited. So if you are searching for a foundation in religious scripture then don’t be surprised if you slip and fall. There may not be one for sex videos. This too is my opinion. Illogical? I don’t think so logic is a tool I use all too frequently, although it has its limitations. Logically “I believe” therefore I cannot be an atheist.
I agree with you totally that popularity does not validate innate value. I said it because I did not wish to get into a debate on religion for which I may not be sufficiently knowledgeable. When you say “something that we should keep our collective nose out of” if you mean things religious then we already see eye to eye and there should not be any controversy, if not maybe you can clarify in your next post. My use of popularity was to bring to notice that it cannot be dismissed lightly, to counteract the common reaction of writing it off as Islamic fundamentalism therefore bad. Who defines bad? Should we define bad? We can only define for ourselves based on information gleaned from our surroundings. My attempt was to influence the reader by giving some insight hoping that they will think before jumping to a conclusion.
Progressive what does that mean? Movement from the present position to another forward or future position as retrogressive is to move from the present position to another backward or past position. There is no value associated with the word. The value is what you bestow upon it. You have used the word change. Change is inevitable but whether it is to our liking or not may not always be within our control. You say why should my opinion matter, it matters if you care. That’s one of the things that make us human. If seen from the perspective of the universe everything that we say or do is too insignificant to matter but at a human plane it matters because we are influenced by everything that we come in contact with. It is clear that you disagree with my view on this issue but you forgot to state yours. I wish you had penned it because despite your being a proponent of logic it is very difficult to trace the trail of logic in your statements. Getting back to progression I have used the term to define something different from what it was earlier and the value attached to it as something more equitable and ‘good’ as per my value system, my perception. This good is debatable and you are advised to do just that. It wasn’t very clear what you meant by sticking to principle. If by principle you mean some gospel truth then it is already inbuilt into your or mine value system and forms a part of our perception we are influenced by it whether we like it or not. Your values may influence how you look at progression but you don’t choose between the two.
My views on sex like everything else comes from my perception, my value system which has been formed from numerous influences throughout my life. It is not fixed but dynamic and it is not written in stone. Although it is dynamic, I do not want you to get the impression that it’s random, there is a logic behind it. If today it is my view it would most likely be the same tomorrow unless there was some evidence or circumstance which influences me to think otherwise. I perceive in your writing that you associate a virtue with inflexibility, in my value system I don’t. If you read my earlier post you may have noticed I finished it off by stating “It’s difficult to say what is right if at all there is a right” that was meant to qualify the entire previous text. In my view there probably is no absolute right it depends on how you look at it. Getting back to your statement when it would be right to poke our nose into other people’s sex lives, you may have fortuitously stumbled upon a question which is not merely academic but very real, without you being aware of it. It would be a real concern if you were living in US because there is a section of the polity pushing for a bill that allows them to do just that, snoop on peoples private lives just because the technology exists to do so by means of satellite. Fortunately collective wisdom has prevented them till now form proceeding on it. Why do you ask why is this protection of personal privacy so important to the majority of people? It is the essence of freedom. When we talk of freedom it starts most intimately with our physical self our personal space. All other expressions of the self come later. As long as there is expectation of freedom there is expectation of privacy. You relinquish right to privacy you relinquish right to freedom.
I think I have stressed enough on the dynamic nature of perception to leave any doubt in your mind as to whether I think things are unchangeable and unalterable. From your statements on the chemicals in the brain and ultimate source, it seems you are having trouble coming to grips with reality. Let me explain some finer aspects of perception. Now this comes from the cumulative wisdom of humanity, that branch of philosophy, which we call Science. Here too there is no guarantee that it’s right because it is based on the assumption that the scientific methodology is correct. When a matador waves a red cloth in front of a bull you see a person in a red dress waving a red cloth, the bull cannot see the red color. Our reality is defined by what we can perceive therefore the reality of the cloth is different for you and the bull. In our eyes we have some receptors that are excited by edge, a lack of continuity an eagle does not see that because its receptors are excited by motion and light and dark so for a given object what you see and what the eagle sees are different therefore reality differs. What I perceive as a square may not be the same as what you perceive we have both just agreed to call a given object square although there is no way to tell if our perception is the same. Our visual perception of our surrounding is based on light from outside falling on our eyes exciting different receptors which in tern communicate via chemicals to other cells which do the primary processing of information and then transmit it to the brain as electrical impulses in a particular spatial orientation. If we stimulate a particular neural pathway we would see the same thing as if light had come from an external object to stimulate that pathway. So I see something which you know does not exist but for me it is very real. So is there an absolute reality I don’t know. But does that mean nothing matters no because for each one of us we are the center of the universe and we matter to ourselves and to all those who influence us or are influenced by us.
As for all the isms that you talk of they are all attempts by us to understand ourselves and our surroundings that’s a human attribute that can’t be prevented. The last thing I would want would be to take anything I said as gospel truth, it goes against my character. I urge you to challenge me but don’t be bitter, question your beliefs, question authority question everything that you take for granted.
Devasis
Hey Grumpy I get the point I have already cleared my position on that. The numbers were only meant to force you to take a closer look before you pass judgment. If you want a retraction, I would because obviously it did not have the effect that I wanted it to. Let me rephrase is her plight attributable only to Islam? Would it have been different if she were in an orthodox Hindu community in Haryana, or an orthodox Roman Catholic community or for that matter any other community, which holds similar views. And yes pork is not a most popular food unless you happen to live in Germany or parts of China LOL but point well taken it was a slip.
Devasis
Hi Stella,
I wanted to again revisit Dan’s comments, I know you’ll say c’mon give it a rest. I will but there was one point I did not give the proper treatment it deserves because I had given the benefit of doubt to Dan. I was really looking forward to his response but since he didn’t, I think I should expand on it now. The statement was “ why should my opinion matter” as in who am I and why should you listen to what I say. Dan is right I am nobody “ A real no where man, sitting in his nowhere land making all his nowhere plans for nobody” that’s me the guy next door who you bump into at the vada pau stall, who you jostle with while getting on the train, who you see everyday on the street but never notice, that voiceless faceless member of the masses that’s who I am and “I am YOU as you are me” to borrow again from The Beatles. Yes the man in the crowd has his opinions but nobody ever cares to ask. Why does it matter what he says, it matters because he knows you better than the ones who you say ought to matter (position of authority) he is your voice. I have to again thank you Stella, the girl we all wished we had next door, for giving us that platform to speak to say what we need to say even if in most cases it’s to ask for a phone call, you religiously post our messages a lesser person would have been frustrated by now. I was watching a show on TV yesterday, it was a show on Elton John on the occasion of his birthday, and a song stuck to my mind “isn’t it funny” it’s a simple song and its not so much about what he says as what it does for you. So most of the song plays out in you based on your emotions and memories. I am not going to give you the lyrics. Download it on your itunes when you get home and listen to it. If it does something for you, then I got across to you and it mattered. If it doesn’t then I’ll have to try harder the next time.
Devasis
Dev, I will definently try to listen to the songs.
And yes I would like to thank you for appreciating my work. The biggest achievement for me is when people like you appreciate my efforts. Also Dev we all are common man on that you see around, but we all have our important opinions on things that we like /dislike. Sex may be good/bad it depends on circumstances the act is performed.
The most important thing is how we express our opinion and put it across to others so that we do not hurt others sentiments and feelings. If your words hurts someone then I guess its not worth having your say on it. But readign your comments I never felt that your comments could hurt anyone's feeling.
All your comments is a true feedback and we can learn a lot from it Dev.
Thanks once again for your wonderful thoughts.
-Stella Roy
Hey Dev,
I don't typically comment not because I can't or don't feel strongly about what we are discussing here, but I tend not to comment because the whole conversation has become predictable and boring. Sorry.
The predictable part of the relativist argument is exactly why I become bored. It is really too simple in fact...if nothing really matters we would never be able to figure out that it doesn't matter.
We have to return to a basis of something in order to quantify anything. If it is through science, it is to the supposed inerrancy of the scientific method. If it is to morality, it is to something greater than our individual whims (collective whims?). If there is no basis, nothing greater than perception, rocks wouldn’t hit the ground when they were thrown unless they perceived that they ought to nor would organisms die when they went “too long” without food or water (I say “too long” because this is also not left to the perception of the dying one).
We seem quite ready to trust in laws or absolutes in nature: gravity, Poiseuille’s law of Fluidics or anything mathematical when they are not really laws that rocks or fluid or threes have to follow but statements we have made about our observations of how rocks and fluid and numbers consistently behave and can be predicted to behave once more. Not really any “law” there, not really any rocks considering whether or not to obey the law and no question whether if a rock falls faster it is itself a better, more law abiding rock.
Yet, we do have an anomaly in all this law of nature called Man.
As Man, we also have laws. We can think, judge, and act in accordance with a different set of laws we know to exist as we can feel the effects of compliance or law breaking as it were. While those observations we make about our physical world still hold true in how they affect our mass, there seems to be yet another type of law we know exists and differs in those “laws” we observe in nature as we see that we consistently don’t hit the mark. Yet, we can use the “crutch” of relativism in order to avoid responsibility for violating that which we know to be true. To take it to an extreme, torturing babies is wrong, no matter how your perception suits you today. An extreme, maybe, but if it is all relative, nothing is extreme and everything is extreme. Baby torture should be an extreme though…where did this should come from and how much is it worth?
Questioning everything may be cute advice in the back of a yearbook but it is not consistent with accepting any amount of scientific “evidence” that I have not proven myself and which forms the basis for the technology (for instance) you and I enjoy in the modern world. I don’t think it is honest. If you were to question everything, we would have no time to write as you would still be buried somewhere between the intricacies of silicon on your processor and the heat resistant properties of the computer case. We accept many, many things such as this as they do not require a bit of humility…but, it’s those things we are to accept that require humility and us to be dethroned from the center of the universe which we are quick to question, or rather, fall back on the relative-rejectionist’s crutch.
I struggle to write about this as I am thoroughly bored with the discussion as I can’t see intellectual honesty in the relativist’s argument. To be honest as a relativist would allow others to take everything from you, deprive you of your privacy, and you would continue about your business having to accept that the others’ perspective allowed him to do what he did and it is not your place to be upset. You would have to divorce yourself from feeling violated by what he did to you, if indeed you were to be intellectually honest and allow his relative perspective as much weight as you give yours….today.
It is this boring, never ending cycle that has lasting effect: it reduces Man to rocks, it leaves no place or explanation for emotional pain or joy, and it eradicates love – making it nothing more than a cost-benefit analysis, a simple mathematical formula used only to serve the smarter of the two, disillusioning and paralyzing the one so caught up in himself that he becomes nothing other than irrelevant himself.
That, my friend, is why I still posted. Boring as the circular dishonesty of the relativist, you do matter. Your opinion does matter. Your are here by more than just chance. Once again, the comfortable relativist crutch that says you aren’t here by anything other than chance (if true and it had any weight) would absolve you of any responsibility around here. But, you aren’t absolved. You have a part to play. It isn’t to make others think about how much they don’t matter but how much they do and how much they can help. If all is relative help means nothing. If there is Truth, your help is needed.
Dan
Dan,
Thanks for responding. But I am sorry that you are bored. However the boredom indicates that you have gained clarity on the entire discussion, which is great. Why don’t you share it with us, we would all benefit from it. Instead of complicating things further why not state clearly what you think are the laws that govern us and what are its source, or in whichever way you would like to present it so that it is easily understandable so that we too can be enthused. If it helps you to understand things better by compartmentalizing and fitting things into silos, that’s fine but keep in mind I have not limited myself to it. It is sad that you derived from my previous post that nothing matters on the contrary my effort was to emphasize why everything matters, obviously I was not successful. Maybe you were trying to derive your conclusion from your idea of ‘relativism’ and not necessarily to anything I have said. Instead of denouncing each other why don’t we try to work together to find a better understanding of the situation. Instead of stating what it’s not let us state what it is. I have already stated my views on perception and how our views are subjective. I will try to explain some of the questions you have posed to the best of my ability. I don’t think I need to comment on the point on perception and science I am sure if you revisit it you will see how it has been abstracted to the point of absurdity surely a perceiver is required for perception to happen.
Science: We agree that it is based on scientific methodology. This forms the basis of all of science. You need question only the methodology if you accept the methodology you accept all of it. You don’t have to reinvent the entire corpus because you have already derived the methodology. I am sure while growing up you have understood for yourself cause and effect and repeatability. If not you could not do Science. We have, at some point in our lives, posed questions and used the scientific methodology to arrive at answers acceptable to us and therefore have come to accept it. For anyone who accepts Science without understanding the methodology, it will always remain as mysterious as any other mystery of the universe. I can’t see the dishonesty.
Morality: Morality is based on our value system. Our value system is derived from the sum total of the influences that we received throughout our lives (i.e. by our perception and our values in turn influences our perception). As a foundation for our value system we define for ourselves some rules, answers, laws or point of reference, whatever you wish to call it. We can either derive these rules / answers by posing to ourselves the right questions or we can accept the conclusions of someone else who has carried out that exercise often we turn to religion for the answer. Here too you could use the scientific methodology only human behavior is not as amenable to analysis as nature. Whatever methodology used the answers are not as well defined as in science maybe blurred by our perception. Whether you derive a solution or depend on a philosopher or prophet you will usually find a lot of similarity indicating the similarity of the human condition regarding basic questions. Why is there a necessity of morality? It is required to survive as a social animal in a society.
Unfortunately despite our similarities our values are far from universal. To take your example infanticide is far more common than we would like to believe.
Now we come to the so-called Laws. In this particular article Islamic Laws or fatwas are an attempt to reconcile the written text with the present circumstances. Because these are not related to the ‘basic’ questions of existence rather related to our day to day life, there is bound to be a lot of variation and subjectivity is magnified. It is the same in all other religions. In Christianity you have the church, which lays them down, in Hinduism you have the pundits.
I hope I have conveyed the idea that questioning is not a self-consuming activity that paralyses you. Although it still sounds cute.
Realization or the attempt thereof of our selves and our surroundings does not eliminate emotion pain and love rather it enhances it. I think you are confusing what I say about perception and subjectivity to be objectivity, which I repeatedly say, is difficult to reach. The negation of emotion is indifference, which is what you move to when you say I am bored.
I repeat again all that I have said is MY subjective opinion based on MY perception because of that the responsibility can lie only with ME as opposed to if I had said that this is the opinion of a philosopher or a prophet with whom I agree. Or that it is a universal truth therefore unchallengeable.
Each one of us are multifaceted by nature and are not very amenable to labels or compartmentalization. Why don’t we leverage that diversity to come to a better solution? Problem seen from different angles may give us a better understanding of the picture.
Devasis
Dev & Dan first and foremost I express my thanks to both of you for coming here and sharing your views with all of us. It’s definitely not a gospel to us but it does enlighten us on various aspects of science and spirituality. Please do that regularly.
My only concern here is why to blame one religion for all the wrong in a particular society? In this particular case Islam and it’s laws.
ISLAM," WROTE George Bernard Shaw, "is the best religion and Muslims are the worst followers." And if you don’t believe in Mr. Shaw’s word, then ask the modern day GOD (Google.com) about the fastest growing religion in the world.
The other two points I would like to raise here is
a) Iran has never claimed itself to be secular & democratic state, it was an Islamic country and it still is. So the rule of Islam has to be followed by each individual residing within the boundary of Iran and,
b) Giving an excuse of freedom and rights of an adult human being is not completely valid. With adult tag comes lot of responsibility both moral as well as social, therefore an adult has to follow the laws laid down by the state.
Also let us analyze our self a little bit. We talk about being secular but what we preach to our children from the day he is born. Starting from the name of the child to even to an extent to the type of friends he makes the religion plays the most important role in his life. Or else why we don’t find a Muslim naming his new born child as Ram or for that matter a Hindu / Jews naming his child as Mohammed.
I would really not like to take side of any religion here but as Dev said Islam with so many followers can’t be the oppressor of its true followers. To me all the religions are meant to be respected for what they preach.
-Stella Roy
Hi Stella,
I agree with you we have to respect and comply with the law of the land whether we like it or not, that is our responsibility as a citizen. But that does not prevent us from disagreeing with it.
I had a friend in M.Sc. whose name was Nasser Greasy it seems his father shared your outlook. He was a Sikh and wanted to represent all the major religions in India while naming his child so he converted his last name Thind to its literal translation Greasy a nice gesture. In most cases we are born into the religion we embrace maybe it would be more meaningful to us if we chose it. Just a thought.
Devasis
Jay said ....
Hi Stella
Prone Movies are in my sense illegal. So who ever did this must get punishment? About Zahra, she is denying about that video then that ex-boyfriend and who that girl should get punishment and the people helping them should get punishment. But before that confirm that Zahra is saying truth.
I also want to know comment from u about this.
Hey Dev - and all those anxiously awaiting my response :) -
It'll be later week before I can post thoughtfully. I am searching for not only the motivation :) but also for the time to give you a response worthy of your thoughtful and time consuming responses to my own posts. With that, I bid you a good week and shall return soon. Thanks-
Dan
Hi Stella,
You have raised a very valid point. Religion has a great influence in most of our lives. At the same time our constitution promises us liberty of thought, expression, belief, faith and worship. I assume that this was the commonly accepted view on what is just by our society at the time it was drafted. If that is so then why is it, as you rightly pointed out, we do so little to inculcate it in our lives? The only places we get to hear of religious tolerance are at political forums where the person espousing it probably believes in it the least, as they are the first ones to exploit our religious diversity to their political advantage. Of course they would not be able to exploit us unless we make ourselves susceptible by being intolerant. It has always intrigued me this tendency of ours to form groups and create a feeling of us and them. To have to convert the other to our point of view otherwise exclude them. The idea of live and let live does not seem to be that popular. I am not totally clear on this. Maybe it is a need for belonging, acceptance or it is a lack of understanding of the other people’s faith. If it were lack of understanding then knowledge would be a remedy. With the onslaught of information in the present day maybe this will bring an end to this divide. I do notice in urban areas the barrier is not as strong this may be the reason. But most probably it will take a long time to eliminate this distrust formed from years of social imprinting. Well I look forward to a brighter future.
Devasis
Hi All
First lemme comment on the topic.
I saw the video clips of the issue.I pitty that girl.As far as am concern she was never aware of the camera.And more over her face is also not clear.so there is more chance that she can escape from this.But i believe the guy should be punished because his face his clear and he was aware of the camera i believe.
Regarding the religious things that Stella mentioned starting from name we preach our religious things.There are many hockey players with different name from their name you can never guess their religion eg LEN AIYAPPAN .The next generation name must be like this.One of my neighbours name is Lenin and his brothers name is also a Christian name but they are Hindus.So there are ppl who keep different name.Only thing is that everyone must make this a practice.First lets start with our kids and let others follow us
Thanks
Giri
Hi Stella,
You raised a very strong point as a part of religion.religion has a great influence in our life. Religion is not created or followed by a single individual when crore's of people have a strong faith on it and when they follow it then it considered as a religion or customs. so in Zahra case its the same as she knew that iran is a islamic country where the people dont accept having affairs or sexual relationship which is strictly prohibited in islam.just for an example a surdeon cannot be an architect and a architect cant be a doctor as they both are studied different streams.the same is religion as we learn and follow the customs by generation.so while doing anything we should think that others faith should not effected or hurt by our actions.the life is a gift to us and we should use it to make something meaningful for the society not for misguiding the people.sex is a part of our life we cannot avoid it completely but there are some parameters to enjoy sex life too as our ancesters followed because of there rules and regulations the world comes into existence if we think that by saying life is meant for freedom and we can do what ever we like then i dont think the can exits any more and families exits in this world.
Dear Anonymous,
You are absolutely right in your observation that Zahra,s behavior is contrary to the beliefs of the society she lives in. That’s why I say she is a victim of unfortunate location. If her beliefs regarding sex was different from society she should have moved to a place where she can enjoy that freedom if not she has to face the consequences. I respect your views regarding social and religious norms and that was the main reason I was trying to steer clear of a religious debate. I believe that a person should have the right to believe in and practice his/her faith in the manner he/ she wishes to and that means respecting the other persons right to do the same. Naturally I can say this because I live in a country like India where that right has been promised to us (although not guaranteed if you remember the ban on blogging earlier). You are quite right our ancestors laid down rules regarding sexual behavior and propriety so that we can function properly in society. But circumstances do change with time and flexibility to new circumstances does not have to lead to breaking down of the fabric of society or family. I do not say you move to anarchy, just scope for individual freedom.
Devasis
What I feel is both Zehra boy friend and Zehra herself should be punished and they do deserve punishment. Islam is religion of nature, if you allow this form of sex then you wont find any legal child in world the same what is happening in western world. There is a difference between a human and animals (cats n Dogs) and girls and boys in western countries have sex like animals they sleep with one then with other one then with other one ending up their life with nothing, this practise also leave a bad impression on kids when they found themself with no father or no mother and then they continue the same practise.
Islamic laws are not strict they are made by Almighty God for the betterment of human beings, if we think on it as He has made every ting clear its up to wise who can pick and understand.
hi stella
according to me. mistake lies with both of them. and more with girls part bcoz they have to be very selective in choosing boy friend in the sense they have to think in real. do not make assumptions abt one they met and dont make mistake in choosing them.
if they do so, no one will be the looser except the lady, whoever she might be.and this communal ethics are secondary to me .my final word " our fate lies in or hands do not leave it before it leaves you".
bye
Dear Anonymous,
Ah if life were that simple our circle of friends are formed more by chance then by choice of course we gravitate more towards some with time but what we wouldn’t give to be able to read the others mind. A woman’s mind has always been one of the greatest mysteries to me and I am resigned to the fact that it will always remain one of those unsolvable mysteries of the universe, men though more predictable might also seem slightly erratic to woman folk as well. So choosing the right friend not always an easy task. Finding your soul mate, heard a lot about that don’t know if it really happens.
Devasis
mohamed
As my islamic brother said hammad khaliq, Islamic laws are not strict they are made by Almighty God for the betterment of human beings..
This world is full of fun dont get traped with western culture..as we r born as a muslim we have lot of responsibility to our community...we should give (dhava)preach wat muhammed(sal) did and fear for the day of judgement...allah is mercifull to forgive our sin if we r willing..
by islamic brother
hi stella
after coming to know about zahir from ur articles what i feel is that the law is giving harsh punishment to her as she is not the only one who is responsible
for the porn video.its the fault of both as the man has circulated the video to disgrace herand ahat may be due to some break up between the two
I have a different point of view here. There is nothing wrong in making love. But why the hell would you tape it? Just because the celebrities are doing? I dont know. We are in a world where our privacy is under question all of the time. Personal is always personal. I am not putting the Islamic Law under question here. Although it is much more strict and more harsh than many religions we know. But why give them a chance?
Thanks
Dibs.
Hi stella,
The sex video of Iranian actress will make her life more difficult, because the country is Iran.The boyfriend may cheat her or it may be a cybercrime.
thanks
sojan
sojan777@yahoo.co.in
hi Stella Thanks For responding me As a friend & thanks to share with me ur new things & also your smile is nice
Hi
Why the public is so harsh like that .. If it is ignored then that is only the best solution . 'Cos as two are adults . But the world is so different in diff countries . Only people will be most mature then upper from the religion then we will avid such type of act Till then only wait ....
well i find it stupid (islamic law)i was in gulf and eveything is fine if male do something like this but if a female does it goes against the law
well they should change their law i may happened beacuse they are not educated enough or they dont have enough guts to fight
hi Dear Friend Stella Roi,
This Artcal is very nice but publicity of her sex vedio is not a humanbeing because everybody doing same activity why should they reveal such vidio's.
Regards,
N.C.S.Naidu
Mobile:91+9885636547
hi frnd stellam
articla was nice
and i dont thing u r wrong
whats harm in having sex with boyfrnd
but he made a wrong act
would like to talk to u on chat
hi
stella read ur topic & felt extreemly sorry for ZAHARA she has nothing to do than keep faith on herself & Almighty making love is not crime but Muslim will not agree with video shooting.Anyway try to be with her but in this topic u have mentioned u will not go for a descriptive topic its ur decision but really i liked most ur descriptive one waiting for another one take care
Hi Stella,
I have read the topic written for Zahara but I cannot understand about the problem exactly.
The islamic law is very strict against these kind of pornography so I could not comment much for her.If she would be Indian then it is understood and people can not mind that much.Example is Anara Gupta case.
Hi STELLA !
enough is said and written on this matter. Now it's the time we should live her on her own and let she have her freedom to decide.
bye.....
SUNIL
Now when she has realised tht she has done sumthng wrng, she shd confess the same in from of god, if she has comitted any such mistake. God wud surely help her get out of this.
Hi Stella
Any updates on this issue. Think You left it un noticed .Please do update this thread when u have any updates.
Thanks
Giri
stella,
amazing to hear a different outlook from a unique personality like u
Hi stella ,
This is the first time iam seeing your blog ,its good and Intutive,the article about zahra amir is heart rendering,zahra is innocent and being made a scape goat i hope the law will prevail and give a proper and honest judgement .
Keep up the good work stella,
krishna
Hi Stella,
U have a way with words. It is really nice to see some one doing something they like and love at the same time. The person who has both the satisfaction will always be happy in what the do and also have the job satisfaction which I believe is very important for the growth of their career. I hope you continue what you love and like that is writhing and I know that the side effect of it will a person who is a born journalist. So I wish you best of luck and hope to hear great things about you as a journalist.
hi stella,
whatever happened you is true,then i also feel very pity for that, i know your islamic rules are so hoorrible ot be dealt with and one of the worst of all. But i suggest that a proper And wise decison has to be given to her and her Husband should be punished for that,Who is the criminla for all these dirty and stupid things Around you..
Thanks,
Ninuj
sex is an act of releasing stress an can be taken as free for all as long as its safe. its a right of two individuals. but nt an issue to be publicised of commented upon.
You know I use to always wonder when people said that you should mind your own business and not interfere in the matters pertaining to others.
As far as the issue goes even if the lady is denying that she has not shot any such video and that the ex-boy friend is taking revenge against her.
It does sounds foolish to say so. I am no body to comment since I have not seen the video and unless and until you have seen the lady in person or for that matter her photographs which could be a good source to compare the girl in the video and the actual lady.
One can also go for the Forensic Lab testing of the video. And as regards to the laws of Iran, they are a bit strict and the present government is also politically and ethically supporting the religious law. But since she lives in Iran we cannot do anything. You have to abide by the law of the land and you cannot escape the same.
The only recourse available to her is either fight it out in the court of law which is the most unimaginable thing in Iran and the second and the last option available is to seek political asylum in any of the consulates in Iran but that too is a very not so good option since it could mean trouble.
So better lets pray for the lady, if she is innocent and the has no involvement she is bound to come out safely with difficulties.
And as far as the comments of Mr. Deb goes I think he should opt for the Civil Services his language is more diplomatic and he seems to speak through the point rather than to the point.
yes stella you are right islamic law are harsh maybe tooo harsh. we will pray for her. Thats all what we can do.yes its true that some Muslims countries are progressive and yet some has to go long way to be called even remotley progressive.
God Bless her
Only Small Coments from My Side is " Religious is for People, but People are not for Religious Where they can use for some ilogical matter to obey"
So she should do what ever good for her and leave the strees and start a new life.....if reqd shift to freedom of life & Joy "
She is only a victim of circumstances, the person who exhibited to public should be punished.
Hariharan
Hi.. stells
Well,the thing about the actress can be right or wrong, she might be at fault or might not be, we are all humans, and its part of living, as for the video, if it shows in some way that she herself has encouraged it, it is an offence. But I would say that the guy also should be punished as well for this crime, why should it be that the girl is the one alwys at fault....think ...
according to me
anything that happen with the Zahra
it may not be true and it may be duplicate of Zahra
So take the decision with the cool mind. after all will be against Zahra so it is the time of misfortune So I am with Zahra
Alok
Dear Stella,
I think Zahra is right in her position , so her voice should be straight towards Islamic rules. Now the CD/DVDs are under consideration of the Court. After declare of authenticity of the porn CD/DVDs we can get a conclusion.So she has to be a normal position right now. My support towards Zahra is always. Whenever she want I I'll be with her .
Hi.. stells
Well,the thing about the actress can be right or wrong, she might be at fault or might not be, we are all humans, and its part of living, as for the video, if it shows in some way that she herself has encouraged it,if Zahara is getting the punishment why not the other actoress like Paris Hilton etc.,the guy also be punished as well for this crime, why should it be that the girl is the one alwys at fault....think ...
dear stella
it is so upsetting to see the plight for a girl.
I thimk so that a strong environment should be created for womanhood.
i pray for her.
rgds
KV
hi dtella,
this is to wrong with zahara iam very to know this punish should be
her boy friend
my sympathy always with her
and pray with god for her .
your
sahil
dear stella
I am really greatful and thank you for supporting the Zahra the victim of such a filthy thing. Zahra should not be worried about it definitely Allah is with her.
Nisar
I pray for U in GOD........
I fully support her, she can be excused provided she doesn't involves in the similar activity in the future. This bcos rules Islam got to be ammended as per the present days circumstances.
hi stella how r u doing, well 1st of all i take this opportunity to express my pleasure to write here and to know you have a grand persona like movie stars. as regards the case of zahra is concerned, in my openion even if she has done wat is shown in video one should not make any hue n cry about it becoz its the law of nature that woman should get attracted to a man for sexual activity and vice versa. moreover if the person is adult and knows well wat she or he is entering into, society has no right whatsoever to be harsh or commanding. in case need be i can stand behind your cause and raise voice to protect zahra as much as possible. i keep writing myself and can try to motivate others for such a cause which saves a life. any other social activity to awaken masses of iran can also be undertaken, after all it is not the stone age, where such harsh laws & punishments should be meted out on people. what if society realises later after punishing her tht it ws actually not zahra but someone else in the video? will they b able to compensate for her losses?? ASK THEM . take care n keep writing please my name is sanjay & id is sonline_22@rediffmail.com bye tk care
I always think when some one talk about global crime, terrorism why only Muslim’s face or name comes into front. Talk about 9/11 or london blast, Mumbai blast why only Muslims? What they want to prove i never understand, the only possibility is to show the world there presence or want to come up as biggest community so that they become more in numbers then any other cast and community... and rule the world. At times i feel what amarica does to these country is good... Muslims have the holy book which says, what these people never do... there will be a time when this Muslim community will be struggling to come in the global stream, coz every one by then want to keep them away... Talking about Zahra's incidence, i feel we can not do anything and no comments too, this not the first incidence, go to bangladesh and see how these muslim womens are used like toys..(these Muslim people and their law is worse if u will get into it they will kill u too, they are SICK), only country like America has the plan and power to teach them better...
Dear stella,
1st of all I want 2 know that Ur intrest of compilation of comments for this kind of shamefull insident,how can take as a sympathy for Zahar Amir? Is it not To demafe some-1? Is it not a propagation & promotion a evils & dirtiness on International level.
You must remmember,Reveling & publishing a bad news always have a bad impression ultimatly and its our social & moral responibility to stop this to b apadamic.
With such girl and Ur country along with Uortopion cultur,this kind of insident is become unbreakable part of lives, even people does not paying attiantion on such type of issues.
suppos that this same would have been happend with U & or with humbly abode what U would have been done?
Let us wht is Ur moto bhind of this propagation?R U bigger supporter for her then his own country's men? Blody women,......
Dear Stella,
thanks for ur thought provoking article on Zahra.
Tha laws are very harsh on Zahra. Even if the videos are real she is not the one to be blamed, her bf should also be roped into.
Just because she is a famous personality, doesn't give anyone the right to intrude into her private affairs.
I hope she comes out successfully from this ordeal.
Raj..
The present Islamic countries rulers are very harsh they blindly follow the rules, we too have such rules to punish womens involving such act, serious investigation must be taken by their government before taking action on her
Hi Stella ,
I can only say that you can take Miss Zahra Amir Issue to International Human Organisation or else if she is ready , she can immigrate to other countries in which she can be provided protection. As we all know about Islamic principles and more over in a fully islamic country like Iran I believe she will not get any Justice, as we think that she has't done any wrong thing but islam will not allow that.
Hi Stella,
First Zehra has't need to feel nervouse, i know her condition, second thing is Porn vedios are illegal but, if Zehra did't donee this it means she should't be worry about this, she has to believe in god, every thing will be all right.
On the legal way she has to tell the authenticat officer or Police to do proper inquiry, take her bf's statement and analyze this matter thorroly to get out of it.
i also respect Islam, if any one found guilty, she or her bf should be punished as per rules.
god bless her
zahar should be burnt alive for having done such a shameful act. pre marital sex! she should be thrown out of islam! Islam dont need such people. Islam need only those people who love Allah and Prophet(PBUH)
Hi Stella,
It's not a crime. First of all Zehra has't need to feel shy or guilty. Not only Zehra, every one has that instinct inside. Be brave Zehra!
Hi Stella !!
I personally Think that is's really a Very Very Personal Matter of Zahira & her BF. What I feel is only BF should be punished coz he has used her for such a Bad Purpose. and not she who has trusted him & anyways Sex is a very natural need of a human, isn't it ?? So nobady has a write to say that U should do this or not ..Also I don't know how can they punish her & not her BF when She is the Victim & he is just a BAD BOY ! I don't think any of the Religion should have the Right to punish a girl for such reason.
God alone knows the truth as i have not seen the video.
If guilty both should be punished after given a fair trial
Hi,
I think the Discussion in the enviromment of Indian physicology will all be one that is
…….very personl…….should not have made it public……if there is a punishment both should get that.
For Islamic physicology well …….. Zehra is facing.
Devasis and Dan please ……………….; or Stella I would request you to give a limit to the number of word for comments. After all think about those who had to read that huhhhhh! TIRESOME
Stella - Very much like the first Anonymous of your this topic, I would also ask you --- “from where on earth do u get all this info stella?”
& Like Yogesh I would say "I like your smile" …………..your smile, eyes, face ect etc etc ……… reminds me of someone very beauty conscious and crazy for fair complexion ………....Keep Smiling
Do you peoples accept your girls(MOM or SIS or WIFE) has beem taken and relaesed in a puplic medium, even me too won't do that,
If you people say islamic laws are too harsh, then ask all your near and dear one to act for a film and post it in a puplic place.
Don't support Porno or any type of malfunction against any girl or any women in this world,
then why indian gov. has to take actions against call girls,
Why our Hindu myths supporting the devadasees,
are this being spreaded to our next generation by explaining, Hilton,Beckam or any one who's porno's are placed in puplic,
Do you accept your pornos or personal activitieis has been posted in the net.
Think First,
Realize next,
Then talk about the fact,
Because it's abour spreading teh humanity, and the goodwills we have to pass it to our next generation,
Let's spread the humanity,
Regards,
managingcriminal
I read the story now Stella. What she did with her boy friend (pre-marital sex) willingly or unwillingly and shot the same on video, both are wrong as she was the person to resist such if she was good lady (no comments on religion). Let the leaf to fall on thorn or thorn to fall on leaf, the damage is to ....... u better know. The same happened with her too, let her be of any category, such as actress or celebrity or what ever!!!! Let her face the fate. But ask her not to curse her fate as she deserves it as she invited it into her life for a moment joy. Take it as lesson for rest of such girls (muslim / non muslim)
hi stella
thanks for making such a brave move i don't know why these people circulate these kind of videos which ditrubs the selfrespect of a women as a follower of islam he should know the dire consequences.islam doesn't allow any man to even look straight into the eyes of a women unless they are into some kind of relation.i give full support to ur move and also to zahra amir ebrahimi.i don't know how tht maniac looks like but i am sure he is going to pay some heavy price for his deeds.
Stella, you say that you've seen the video. Isn't that a crime also? Now that you are a criminal how much punishment do you expect to receive? Would it be the same if you were a man? Why?
You've seen the "Star Wars" movies, do you believe in "Jar-Jar Binks"? Do you think he is real? Do you absolutely believe that the people who created him couldn't have made a video of Zahra giving a b-job to someone that you would believe? How about "Superman" flying?
When a man can have four wives, or this man not receive anywhere near the punishment of Zahra, why would you believe anybody except her?
When a wife can be immolated because her dowery wasn't enough, something is wrong.
What gives you the right to judge other culture? The people of that contry decided to follow a very specific life style and we have no right to say what's right or what's wrong. It's their country and their decision. All we can do is shut the f*&^ up.
Maybe her boyfriend can look directly into the camera, bounce a loose fist and say "I did not have sex with that woman". If no one can produce a stained dress she may get away with it . . ask Bill Clinton
[quote] Anonymous said...
What gives you the right to judge other culture? The people of that country decided to follow a very specific life style and we have no right to say what's right or what's wrong. It's their country and their decision. All we can do is shut the f*&^ up.
12:34 PM[/quote]
No they didn't, if they did there would not be anyone doing something that would be a crime, and you wouldn't be lying about it.
When you use language like that you are being just as pornographic as that movie. These are Religious people and they do not need your harsh words to support their beliefs. If their beliefs are true, they will prevail without your nasty swear words. Obviously you are wrong. If people don't speak up to protest, then the Mullahs will come to kill you next because you speak such nasty words. Sooner or later you must realize that killing children who might or might not have had sex in ways you don't like is wrong.
Any religion by itself is not wrong, but its implementation can most definitely be.
At first I was amazed that someone could do something so stupid as consent to being filmed having sex in Iran if she did consent. Then I started thinking about her young age and how 1.) Young people do stupid things 2.) Young people want to rebell against sexually repressive authority in Iran and 3.)celebrities, esp young ones think they are above the law and will never get caught...in the West it tends to work ie, sex scandal tapes have aided young actresses careers sick as it is i.e.:
Daniela Cicarelli
Paris Hilton
Kim Kardashian
Paris Exposed
Aishwarya Rai
Tammy Nyp
The interesting thing is that in my experience in that culture in the seventies there is a lot of inhibition towards oral sex where as sodomy and what they don't consider homosexuality except for the guy on the receiving end, is common because of the demand for virgin brides and "no" premarrital sex. Extra marrital sex especially in light of arranged marriages void of love was also quite common also. It seems the more moralistic and repressive a regime the more people find ways to rebel.
I don't know what our excuse is in the West. They call us decadent but I think that again everyone aspires to become a famous celebrity above the law as a cultural ideal and our icons like Paris Hilton and OJ Simpson reflect this. It goes all the way back to the Wild West frontier days and flaunting of authority.
I remember from my own youth making passionate love to my Persian girlfriend, who had just come into my house and ripped off her veil and this was at the beginning of the revolution and a huge protest march was going on down the street from us, a mile long with people protesting the Pahlavi regime and Western corruption...as a 25 year old idiot I got a thrill thinking how they would have stoned us to death had they known what we were doing less than a block away. In that context I can be sympathetic to Zahra. If I were her I would be trying to find a way to leave the country...
Of course whatever her boyfriend’s motive for filming and then releasing it were, he certainly had a death wish for her and himself. But who knows if he will come to justice when you consider the case of the 17 year old Nazanin rape victim who stabbed her assailants with a knife in self defense and defense of her sister and was sentenced to death. I lost track of her case but her namesake, Nazanin the Miss World Canada had a petition circulating which I signed to spare her life.
If you have interest in Iranian culture, films, history, literature and more about my personal experiences there as a foreigner before, during and after the revolution please visit my site at www.zirzameen.com
Cheers,
BA
forget it, we never adviced her to give a blowjob to her socalled fiance.. Stupid laws made by stupid people. I dont want to hear such valueless things. Just leave
The poor woman has already been thru enuf problems..i think she should been shown some mercy and forgiven.. she did not shoot the video herslf nor had any intention of doing it. it was made in her ignorance and the woman is so sorry for it. so please forgive her. And afterall she is a woman...so plz hav some mercy and forgive her...
Hey stella,
I too know that the islamic countries are very harsh in giving decisions, according to me based on the character and conduct of the girl given by her previous institutions, peoples, neighbours, friends the law should give the decisions.
hi,
Stella Thanks For responding me As a friend & thanks to share with me ur new things & also your smile is nice
Enough is said and written on this matter. Now it's the time we should live her on her own and let she have her freedom to decide.
bye.....
vinitdatta@yahoo.com
every religion in this world condemn such act plus always teach what is right and what is wrong. so if some one commits crime he/she is bound to face its after effects . this is all bull shit that it is her personal affair and no one is allowed to interfere. i will ask dev if your sister does this act then what you will do? will you allow her to keep doing it?
the culprits must be taken to the task, to make this planet clear for others.
there are vast difference between talking on some topic and being the part of such issue.
talk sense.
To: Stella Roy
Re: I have personally seen the video and no way I found that it was duplicate of Zahra or it was done without her knowledge.
Are you trying to get her killed? What kind of stupid comment is this? Since when you are an expert in identifying people?
Well, I believe that there is no proof that Zahra is in video, In Case if she is then she is not one to be punished as she didnt sold these movies, the movie maker should be killed 100 times as he tried to dis-respect Zahra Ebrahim, He should be killed 100 times for breaking humanity.. breaking truth, breaking love ... breaking trust... breaking all good , He Is Iranian but he is a snake for muslim world who made a way that world can point out the Holy Country of Iran.... If he will be killed 100 times then its less , I wish from Allah that He get his result soon in front of world on his deed... I am really sorry for Zahra Ebrahim who trusted someone... Girls are really stupid really stupid who trust guys....I am really sad from my core of heart since i saw that tape i deleted it but i want to take revenge frm that guy ..I dunno who is Zahra Ibrahim but she should really spend her life in Allah's ways and ask Him to forgive, Zahra Ebrahim should not be punished as she is not the one who published this tape.... as islamic point of u there are no witness in that she is same girl.....anyways.. Laanaat on that guy who did this, He is not muslim, He is not human May all angels do lanat on that guy, may all mountains all skies all worlds all trees all sea do lanat on him and say him he is bad... It really hurted me , really hurted me .....
haider (00971-50-9428201)
She knew the law and broke it, must be punished according to the law
"...The Iranian public is outraged and wants maximum punishment for Zahra Amir Ebrahimi."
Is this a quote or your understanding? I dont think thats been the case.
I really like your post. Will continue reading your blog. :)
Hello there,
This is a question for the webmaster/admin here at rahul-stella.blogspot.com.
May I use some of the information from this blog post right above if I provide a link back to this website?
Thanks,
James
As plain as two and two make four.
Pretty sad that the people of Iran are so outraged by two consenting adults filming themselves making love. The crime is the antiquated primitive Islamic laws. If these barbaric laws are straight out of the Koran heaven help us all.
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